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    Fr. Barron comments on Catholic Seminaries and Evangelization





     
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Racheal
All very good points, but I belive you've addressed most of these points in past talks/sermons/blogs. I haven't been able to get online all week until today because I was attebdubg out-of-town for an all female Veteran's Conference west of the city...(good to be around so many giving & like-minded people. The conference is a first of it's kind)...so I've been missing all the fun on the WOF website and blog. But I plan on leaving a few more comments to some specific people.
5/26/2012 6:45:59 PM
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Paula Moses
Great points! I hope our semanarians enter with the capacity, enthusiasm and committment to learn and experience all they need to, in order to become strong evangelists. Our track record of ordaining good public speakers and strong homilists is unfortunately not very good.
5/26/2012 11:26:15 PM
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Dr Rosemary Eileen McHugh
Congratulations on becoming Rector at St Mary of the Lake Seminary. As a physician, I believe that a real evangelization of the church in the world must include an equal partnership of women and men. Think of what our church could be like if seminaries were filled with both men and women on fire for God? You said that whatever is received, is received according to the mode of the recipient. In like manner, whatever is given, is given according to the mode of the giver. I ask you to give these words some thought. A male only priesthood breeds such problems as clericalism and an abnormal view of women. My own brother, Tom McHugh, went to Mundelein Seminary and was ordained in 1967. He fell in love with one of the teachers at his first assignment at St Louise de Marillac in LaGrange Park,became laicized,married,and they are blessed with 5 great children. There could be a broader and richer evangelization if women were on the team as equal partners in this, the 21st century. Best wishes!
5/27/2012 12:00:04 AM
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Jennifer Olson
Father B - thank you for explaining to me why I can't get enough of your gospel preaching! As always...YOU ROCK!!!! Thanks again for delivering God to our ears!
5/29/2012 8:23:22 AM
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Greg MacKinnon
I love how you expressed the continuity from St. Paul to Blessed Pope John Paul II. I personally think that the new energy (in a sense) really isn't all that new. All that's being done is re-plugging into the outlet of Christ and the saints He has raised up for us.
5/29/2012 8:48:32 AM
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Maria Corazon Barrientos
Congratulations Fr Barron ... I have been praying for you since I watched your you tube videos ... we need priest like you and hope more will follow your leadership in the Catholic Faith: Word, Tradition & Magisterium ... May our good,kind and loving God bless & keep you always
5/29/2012 4:35:01 PM
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Peter
Great post Father Barron. Only one (small) criticism. The montage of the great theologians and minds of the Church were all men. Given the mode of our culture, we need to emphasize our rich history of great women in the Church - Teresa of Avila, Therese of Lisieux, Edith Stein, Clare of Assissi, Dorothy Day etc etc.
5/29/2012 7:05:07 PM
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Holly
Peter-

Have you seen the episode of Catholicism on the Saints? Father Barron presents the life and witness of Blessed Teresa of Calcutta, St. Therese of Lisieux, Edith Stein and Katharine Drexel. He regularly uses Dorothy Day as an example in his writings, not to mention Teresa of Avila and her interior castle, etc. He frequently cites women saints in all of his work.
5/29/2012 9:45:47 PM
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Paul Mugerwa
Dr.Rosemary Eileen McHugh, I suggest to you to get hold of a fabulous CD about Priestly Celibacy by Fr. Ray Ryland himself a married priest. It is ironic as you will find out, that a
he makes a strong case for Priestly Celibacy! This CD is available free of charge I guess if you visit this website: www.biblechristiansociety.com/products/audio
5/29/2012 9:56:47 PM
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Robert
Yea Father!
5/30/2012 8:49:45 AM
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Carla
Fr. Barron, your point is well taken about knowing your audience. The current clergy at my parish don't know me. Usually, I see priests and the pastor at mass, and don't see them again until the next mass. It seems as though there is no connection. Priests standing outside church for the "shake the hand" greeting doesn't give the opportunity for an exchange of any depth. If priests are depending on their housekeepers to do the grocery shopping, then they don't go to the grocery store. With regard to the "new evangelization," there is a real hesitancy for any of the clergy to blog or do anything online. It just doesn't happen here. The opportunity for genuine exchanges is pretty much non-existent. If I am giving a good confession, then, there won't be one in the confessionional either. The priest agrees with me, maybe gives me a penance, absolution, and confession is over. The lack of presence to the average parishioner makes life for the priest easier, but you are right, there is no connection. No offense, but in Jesus' day, it was probably easier to talk to Jesus than it is to the priests.
5/30/2012 11:17:15 AM
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Anonymous
Hi Dr. McHugh,
My sadness in your story is that your brother was forced to leave the Priesthood. Did we lose a Priest or gain a Christian family? Since God is love, where or what was God’s providence in that happening and isn’t it God’s will we are after, not our own?

Your comment seems to support case for married priests more than women becoming priests. I’m searching for answers to questions I’m not sure I even understand right now. So, besides the reasons you’ve already presented, if you are willing to share, I am interested to know what other reasons, if any, you think women should be Priests.

If I understand correctly, you’ve listed the need for equal partnership of women and men to create real evangelization, consideration of what is received and given according to mode, problems of an all male priesthood that breed clericalism, and an abnormal view of women.

With all respect, please know that it is not my desire or intention to enter into debate… I just want to know your opinion. Thanks so much.

In Christ’s love ~

p.s.

Hi Paul Mugerwa, If you are willing, question for you please: Are you a Roman Catholic Priest in the U.S.?
5/30/2012 1:26:12 PM
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Kathy
Fr. Barron, in "Revelations":6-9, The first Seal is broken, and the first of four horseman appears. Some interpret the first to be the Evangelization which takes place prior to the second coming of Jesus.
Divine Mercy Sunday, put in place by Pope John Paul 11, was based on St. Faustina's diaries, the prayers of mercy put forth to hold back the second coming until the great evangelization takes place.
Please share your thpoughts on this. You are within it! God Speed!
5/30/2012 4:53:33 PM
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Kathy
Our brothers and sisters in Christ who belong to the Episcopal Church, have married priests, believe in the saints, and are not Roman Catholics. In the deep south, where there are very few Catholic Churches, you will find the Episopal brethern apostles. Once one of them, I chose Catholicism. We can not ignore the Baptists either, my brother a minister, and all of the missionary work and evangelization they have been doing for many years, most married and waiting for us Catholics to step up with our witness to Christ Jesus! Come on, let us not be offensive towards St. Peter and use women as a bitter excuse not to speak up about the one woman we revere more than any other Christian religion: MARY, MOTHER OF GOD! God Speed!
5/30/2012 5:15:42 PM
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Paul Mugerwa
Hi Anonymous,
No am not a Priest; just a lay Catholic person on fire for Christ.
5/30/2012 6:09:09 PM
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Maria Corazon Barrientos
Catholic Priestly Celibacy:
I am a woman. I do not like to debate celibacy as I thank God for these men as I see them as a gift to the Catholic Church and to me. Why am I thankful? 1.) St Maximilian Kolbe - he gave up his life for a family man. He said: take my life, I am a priest - meaning no family, celibate. 2.) I was born in Mindanao, Philippines - when I left in 1978, I heard priest being killed. I visited in 2008. While dining with Oblates Mary Immaculate friars, they were talking about a priest that was shot in the middle of a catholic school playground in the broad daylight where all the students saw it. There was a priest who celebrated the Eucharist and went missing. His body was found dismembered around the town. 3.) I was in Uganda in 2003. There was a big rumor that the priest and the bishop were sleeping with the entire village in the open park. I asked the nuns why. They said that there was a rumor that there might be "cleansing" that night. These are the practical side that I myself thank God for these men --- offering their lives for our faith, for God. For really good explanation, Pope Paul VI, Pope John Paul II & Pope Benedict XVI wrote a lot of stuff. Cardinals Levada & Sepe wrote some good stuff too.

Catholic priesthood is a gift a man could give to the church. If he is TRUE to his vows, there will be no problem. Problem is only present if one is NOT TRUE to one's vows: poverty, chastity & obedience. Also, it is not for everybody who wants it: "Many are invited, but few are chosen" (Matt 22:14).

Evangelization is not only the job of the priest. We, the church, the people, must be part of it. As all of us are called to this, on different level. All of us are called to be saints. Is our goal to be priest or is it to lovingly serve God wherever He wants/calls us?

I am not also for women priest. It is just that I never read/heard of any great women of the past (St Catherine of Siena, St Joan Arc and most of all, our Blessed Mother Mary) wanted to be a priest. Our Blessed Mother appeared to a lot of children and young girls but I never read or heard that she said to one of the girls/young girls that you will be a priest or you will be a priest and build a church for me.

Also, as a person who like numbers, if it is truly for the number of priest we wanted who can preach/evangelized and guide us, why is it that our Catholic faith have flourished even amidst the scandal and everything else negative? Why other faith denomination, not? They have in their advantage the men, married men, women, married women and gays and etc.

I am not here to debate nor argue points of consideration. I am just here to really thank these men for serving God and us, the church. I thank the great women too of past and present: St Clare, St Monica, St. Therese of Lisieux, St Therese of Avila, Mother Theresa, St Catherine, St Joan of Arc, St Elizabeth, St Edith Stein and all the nuns. And most of all, I thank God for these men and women.
5/30/2012 6:36:59 PM
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Daniel
I love Word on Fire and Father Barron! I have to say that my wife and I are on the cusp of joining the church, and this website has surely played a part!

I just have a couple of thoughts, based upon my past as a cradle Presbyterian and some contact with Eastern Orthodoxy. I think that, with regard to the priesthood, arguments in favor of this or that (such as married priests, women, etc) can already be compared to much evidence in the Protestant and Orthodox worlds. Eastern Catholics, since their priests can marry, also offer instruction in these matters. Catholics would do well to really examine the past and current situations within these groups to help provide guidance.

The issues around the ordination of women really confuse me at times. As a kid, the lady in the robes at the pulpit of our church never for a moment seemed strange. But an argument that an envisioned "equality" will surely lead to a stronger evangelization does not seem sound, given the chaos that is engulfing many of the mainline Protestant groups, here and abroad. These churches have tried many innovations, and yet still stand on the precipice of collapse. Catholics are the inheritors of a very special tradition. I pray that the church will be treated with the reverence, respect, and love that something so special deserves. God Bless!!
5/30/2012 8:53:19 PM
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anonymous
Evangelization… seems it all comes down to living that Christian life - remaining in Him so we can live that life of witness with and through the gifts we are each blessed with. God does provide for the building up of His church. It is what Father told us a few weeks back, we need to know who we are, discern what God wants us to do and then get to work.

I find comfort knowing Fr Barron will be with our seminarians in this new position. Even more so, I can't wait to see what God will do through him.
5/31/2012 12:43:15 AM
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Paul Mugerwa
Kathy and Daniel, the Catholic Church was established by Jesus Christ himself. In Matthew 16:18-19, "and I tell you, you are Peter and on this rock/Peter I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." Now that is a lot of powers to be given to human beings with a fallen nature. But guess what, Jesus is in control of such powers and He cannot let Peter and his successors teach His Church errors. The Church is not following the teachings of Protestantism but of Christ Jesus.

There are divine reasons as to why Jesus chose only men to be His Apostles;
a)Jesus was a man and even if the Priest is play-acting, he has to be a man in that roll of Eucharistic celebration(take this is my body and this is my blood).
b)The Church is a family and has to have a father figure and a mother figure.
c)Christ is the bridegroom and the Church is His bride.

Women have got a special place in the Church and they play a vital role according to the direction of the Holy Spirit.

Celibacy is a gift from God, and the Church cannot throw it back to His face, especially when it has proven to be a great saints generating machine than anything else in the history of the Church.
5/31/2012 12:45:21 AM
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Daniel
Hi Paul, thank you for your thoughtful words. Just a follow-up to your recent post. I am not in any saying that I think the Church should make any changes. As I said in my post, my wife and I are going to convert to Catholicism, hopefully in the next RCIA class. I love the Church (and love it the way it is!)

All I was trying to say, in response to any earlier post, was that because other Churches have done the things that some want the RCC to do, there is no need to speculate on the outcome of such changes. All one needs to do is to look at the Episcopalians to get a sense of where one ends up when they abandon Christ and his teachings and scriptures. The fact that the RCC hasn't done anything like so many of the Protestant groups have done is exactly its strength! It is a Christian shelter in a pluralistic, secular tempest!

As long as we Catholics (I want to include myself here) continue to pray, hunger, and burn for the faith, and we stay the course, Christ (and thus, love) will prevail.

Thanks Paul, for the interesting discourse. May God bless you!
5/31/2012 9:12:18 AM
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K
Anonymous: In your response to Dr. McHugh you wrote: "Did we lose a priest or gain a Christian family?"
I myself am a child of a former priest, therefore have seen this debate from a different angle than most people. I will say two things ~ First, my dad never left the Church and was faithful through the process he needed to go through to move into a category of ordained laity. I find that very humbling and the major cause of myself and brothers to stay in the faith when, by his example, he could have went into any other faith. Second, I feel that there is no way that he could have been a excellent priest and excellent husband/father. One suffers as both roles are all-consuming. Priesthood is not the same as a 'job' - it's a vocation just as you are a parent who holds a full-time job. You cannot erase the essence of who you are. It pains me to see my dad grow older and realize how deeply he loves Jesus and Catholicism yet cannot administer the sacraments any longer, yet there is a love of vocation for him that strengthens him as a husband and father.
I defer to the wisdom of the fathers of our blessed Church in regards to married priests - from my point of view, it's one of the jewels that sets our faith apart.
I also have a friend who is also the product of another priest-turned-laity. This fine young man was just ordained 5 years ago into the Catholic Priesthood. He likes to repeat the line his mother gives: "I took one away from the priesthood, but I gave one back." Keep praying!
5/31/2012 1:11:30 PM
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Paul Mugerwa
Thank you Daniel, and welcome home together with your wife, I will pray for you. One thing you need to know though, is that never be afraid to ask(always seeking knowledge) questions concerning faith and morals. The Church you are joining bases its faith on reason and logic - thus no offensive questions whatsoever.

My problem in this kind of discussions is that I don't know the politically correct language and I tend to be blunt when it comes to TRUTH.
5/31/2012 1:43:00 PM
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Kathy
RE: PAUL MUGERWA
Is there a chance that you misjudged me, when I said I converted to Catholicism, and Mary was the Mother of God?
The prayer put forth by Pope John Paul 11, for Christian Unity with our brother churches, was for us to pray, was it not? Thank-you for stepping up in defence of the Church, in reguards to Daniel and myself. Peace. God Speed!
6/1/2012 9:24:31 AM
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Anonymous
K,

Wow, so much in your comment, thank you. I’m so happy your dad did what he had to do in order to stay. I have 1 question for you and only if you are willing:

We do have married priests (with children), here in the United States. How do you and your dad feel about that, is it a good or bad thing?
6/1/2012 1:07:27 PM
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MKurzawa
Congratulations to Fr. Barron. As to evangelization, Francis of Assisi is to have said: "Preach always, and sometimes use words". Rarely, have I met a priest who actually will stand-up for his Catholic beliefs - the beliefs he might tell others to practice. Then, another has asked, "Who is to believe in a question mark?" I think it is basic that priests, especially, need to live their faith. Then teach that faith...not watered-down. Along the way, prepare the faithful to be disposed to listen and to learn. We don't need (more) entertainment. It's all about the Ultimate Meaning of our lives.
6/1/2012 1:44:53 PM
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Fr. Adam
Fr. Barron, Make sure your seminarians leave their video games and gameboy's at homes. The New Evangeliztion, the "beef" of the Christian faith, will never be thoroughly digested as long as students squander their time on video games and on the computer while in the seminary... STUDY while in the seminary guys!! The world is starving for the gospel!! Come Holy Spirit!!
6/1/2012 11:58:10 PM
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anonymous
Dr Rosemary,

You said, "Think of what our church could be like if seminaries were filled with both men and women on fire for God?"

Doctor? What about that sex thing? Should we have concern it would breed environment of fornication and the like?

I don’t know, it would definitely take a lot of trust in God, His providence and His sovereignty... that mustard size faith. Could we do that? Could we let go and let God? I mean, we’ve kept our clergy and our religious men and women in the church, divided for a very long time. If these men and women in love with God reside and study together in and as one community, would it threaten our jewels, those HE has gifted with celibacy?
6/2/2012 9:58:38 AM
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joe
The church's magisterium and celibate priests breed no such contempt of women.
Cultural relativism and feminism creates the pride and subsequent disobedience that ignores the Holy Spirits active guidance of His beloved bride ie the church. Celibate priests sacrifice biologic parenthood to become spiritual fathers of us all. Women settle for less when they forget the supernatural role that women and motherhood plays in salvation history. What man or angel is more powerful than Mother Mary? Obedience to the "infallible" teachings of the Holy Spirit ensures the peace that surpasses understanding. Embracing the culture of death's worldviews over the Tradition of the Spirit of God Himself is the way to unhappiness here and hereafter.

PS
Is anyone else bored with the "culture of death" demanding the church change; when the ultimate change has always been personal. Getting our sinful and sorry will's to become obedient to GOD"S church.
6/2/2012 11:16:54 PM
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jp
Sadly no mention of humility if one looks at history of the church from the crusades spanish inqusition to even more recent sex scandels. What do they all have in common elitism and pride which only has one cure the new priests must teach while also wasing their students feet no easy task to sell the students
6/4/2012 7:21:31 AM
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Alfred
Congratulations Fr. Barron,
and I pray for your continued strength during your walk with Christ and his people.

The seminal role of the sacramental priesthood as is the seminal role of the "Bridegroom", Christ, to His Church is obviously misunderstood by modern culuture. Please continue to emphasize this role to this gender ambiguous generations. I find a great deal of gender confusion among my students.
6/4/2012 9:45:15 AM
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jp
I dont really know if congratulations to Fr. Barron is really the right words..I mean would you say Congrats to Moses, David, or Jonah...seems on a worldly view this kind of stinks...but being called is wonderful..and wish to Fr. Barron that God be with him during the troublesum waters ahead.
6/4/2012 11:05:50 AM
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anonymous
Hi Joe,

I’ve always said God takes good care of me and this is a small example of it. You see, in my reading through these comments, all I’ve seen (thank you, Lord) is a little tendency towards resentment. I’ve not seen contempt from anybody (that has to be a blessing); contempt sounds harsh and reminds me of how deeply sad it is to know that it does exist among us, His Church. How can that be?

Joe, your loyalty and love for your church is visible and strong. I see Jesus in you as you remind me to love. If only we could faithfully remember His first (and one of the two most important) Commandments: To have no other Gods before Him ~ loving Him with all of our heart, all our soul, all our mind and all our strength. He even sent an advocate so we may be able to worship Him in a way that is pleasing to Him. His love is SO big.

Personally, I’m thinking that you know, but perhaps forgot that original sin is what is behind pride, disobedience and the like; the rest you mention (and the likes of it,) is what follows when we choose to live outside love.

In and with all of Christ’s love, I think it egotistical to base commitment to celibacy on sacrifice, as our Jesus, the Lamb of God, was the ultimate sacrifice.

I do agree with you, we ought not to forget the supernatural role that women and motherhood have played in salvation history and even more important, to remember that our Mother Mary is not a distant figure; she is just as present to us today as Jesus. I can see you are a man of love, loyalty and commitment Joe and I respectfully ask, only if you are willing, what your thoughts are on the woman’s place in our church today. Coincidentally (?) as I was reading Fr. Steve’s recent Homily on The Visitation, the discussion in this commentary kept coming to mind and I just couldn’t help but recall Mary and Elizabeth’s first reaction of the news as contrasted to their husband’s first reaction. I mean, Joseph was going to leave Mary and Elizabeth’s husband was made mute.

The ultimate change is personal – that is so right on. Any demand to change the church is a distraction from who the church is. Even the suggestion could cause us to see the church as an entity separate from us and God. We are one.

Remembering the quote: “ About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they are just one thing, and we should not complicate the matter.” - Joan of Arc

Okay, so here’s the question I am still, MOST SINCERELY, searching for an answer to: Why did Jesus give the keys to Peter, a married man? God does not make mistakes and He does not change His mind. Why did He do that?
6/4/2012 2:24:03 PM
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Paul Mugerwa
jp the militant Church is never been a museum of saints, rather a hospital for sinners. There never been faults with the teachings of the Church; it is always you and me who fail to live up to our christian virtues. The Church never taught crusades, spanish inqustion or even acts of sexual abuse in its official documents. Instead, you will find strong condemnation of such actions. Many Bishops of the Church taught and promoted heresies even today, but the Magisterium always fights back with the Truth.

We are all in need of that humility so that we can see the reality of our sinfulness. Just remember Matt.18, " I Jesus the son of living God, I will build my Church and ..." (emphasis added). So Jesus is fully in charge no matter how strong the winds or storms may be;He is in the boat just taking a nap.
6/4/2012 2:37:28 PM
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Paul Mugerwa
Anonymous, here is an answer to your most sincere question: It can be found in Luke 18:28-30. And Peter said, " Behold, we have left our homes and followed you." And he said to them, " Truly, I say to you, there is no man who has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God, who will not receive manifold more in this time, and in the age to come eternal life." There, you have it. And in Matthew 19:27, Peter uses the word 'everything' implying complete self-denial even their marital relations prior to their encounter with Jesus.

You might mention Matthew 8:14 or Mark 1:29-31, which talk about Jesus healing of Peter's mother-in-law: The Bible is silent about the whereabouts of Peter's wife or her fate in that episode, instead we read that when the fever had left her, she served them. Now, one still wonders where on earth Peter's wife was when she was supposed to provide hospitality to Jesus and His entourage! Therefore, any reasoning to prove otherwise, would be highly speculative.

So, Peter was not a married man when Jesus gave him the keys. And God's mind is immutable and making mistakes is NOT in His nature.
God bless.
6/4/2012 3:54:43 PM
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Paul Mugerwa
Anonymous, here is an answer to your most sincere question: It can be found in Luke 18:28-30. And Peter said, " Behold, we have left our homes and followed you." And he said to them, " Truly, I say to you, there is no man who has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God, who will not receive manifold more in this time, and in the age to come eternal life." There, you have it. And in Matthew 19:27, Peter uses the word 'everything' implying complete self-denial even their marital relations prior to their encounter with Jesus.

You might mention Matthew 8:14 or Mark 1:29-31, which talk about Jesus healing of Peter's mother-in-law: The Bible is silent about the whereabouts of Peter's wife or her fate in that episode, instead we read that when the fever had left her, she served them. Now, one still wonders where on earth Peter's wife was when she was supposed to provide hospitality to Jesus and His entourage! Therefore, any reasoning to prove otherwise, would be highly speculative.

So, Peter was not a married man when Jesus gave him the keys. And God's mind is immutable and making mistakes is NOT in His nature.
God bless.
6/4/2012 4:02:21 PM
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Dr Rosemary Eileen McHugh
I mentioned that my brother Tom was ordained a priest in 1967 for the Archdiocese of Chicago. Because of the rule of mandatory celibacy, he was not able to remain a priest and be married in the Roman Catholic Church. He was laicized, married, has five lovely children, and is the director of religious education in the Catholic parish where they live. Until the 1100s, Catholic priests were married. Mandatory celibacy came in then, in order for the RCC to have more power and control over the lives of those who wanted to give God their all. We know now, that we can choose to give God our all in every walk of life, in married or in single life. Today, the Pope has welcomed married Anglican priests and bishops into the active ministry of the Roman Catholic Church. I am sad for K's father who would like to function as a priest, after having raised his family. My brother would also love to return to active ministry as a priest. Right now, the leaders of our church, arbitrarily, are denying these good men permission to return to the active priesthood, just because they fell in love and married. For K to say that her Dad would not have been able to cope with being a priest and raising a family, certainly is not true of all the married men and women priests in various denominations. Priests deserve to have the choice of being celibate or married priests.
6/4/2012 6:21:48 PM
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anonymous
Hi Paul, Thanks - I am searching for answers and I appreciate your reference to Luke. I am aware of that passage and still can’t believe that Jesus would reward Peter with the keys after and for leaving his family.

That simply doesn’t look like love to me.
6/4/2012 10:24:16 PM
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Maria Corazon Barrientos
Dear Dr. Rosemary,

Celibacy was already a debated issue since 305 at the Council of Elvira. (Wikipedia: (Canon 33): It is decided that marriage be altogether prohibited to bishops, priests, and deacons, or to all clerics placed in the ministry, and that they keep away from their wives and not beget children; whoever does this, shall be deprived of the honor of the clerical office. )

Vatican Document on History of Priestly Celibacy: http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cclergy/documents/rc_con_cclergy_doc_01011993_chisto_en.html

Anglican priesthood is not valid per Pope Leo XIII under Apostolic Curae dated 09/13/1896. Please read Anglicanorum Coetibus for how Anglican priests are accepted in the Ordinariate.

Eastern Rite in full communion with the Catholic church: They have to be married before ordination. After ordination, they cannot be married.

Your brother if he wishes still to be a priest, can join the ordinariate.
6/4/2012 10:33:54 PM
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Stephanie
Congratulations on your new appointment! You have been a wonderful teacher to us and we hope you will continue to be there for your Word on Fire family.
6/8/2012 10:06:27 AM
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Joan
Hi Maria Corazon Barrientos,

Your comment is very informative and easy to understand. How you would describe celibacy in a spiritual sense? I have my own definition, but it's not based on formal education or research.

Thanks Maria ~
6/9/2012 4:29:06 AM
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Maria Corazon Barrientos
Dear Joan,
I do not know how to define spirituality in terms of the fruits of a celibate life. I am 45, joyful Catholic, single and living a celibate life. I don't consider myself spiritual but I love praying, going to daily mass and spending hours in the blessed sacrament. I just think spirituality are reserve for monks, priest and cloistered nuns. They actually gave their lives in loving God whom they consider their spouse. I think the highest and purest form of spirituality is giving up everything; of material, of the flesh and of who you are before God. I think spiritually in terms of celibacy is in this sense for me but I am nowhere near it but I pray these.

St Alphonsus Liguori: Let my heart be so united with yours that our wills may be one, and mine may in all things be conformed to Yours. May Your Will be the rule both of my desires and of my actions.
St Ignatious of Loyola: Take, O Lord, and receive my entire liberty, my memory, my understanding, and my whole will. All that I am and all that I posses. You have given me. I surrender it all to you to be disposed of according to Your Will. Give me only Your Love and Your Grace; with these I will be rich enough and will desire nothing more.
St Bonaventure: Lord Jesus Christ, may my soul always revolve around You, seek You, and find You. Help it to turn to you, and reach you. Let every thought and word be centered on You. Grant that my soul may sing Your praise and the glory of Your Holy Name with humility and reserve, with love and joy, with ease and gentleness, with patience and tranquility, with success and persistence to the very end.

God bless ~
6/9/2012 3:25:55 PM
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