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The Question in the Protestant-Catholic Debate

By Rev. Robert Barron / From Catholic New World

These past several weeks, I’ve had to take a number of plane trips, and this meant I’ve had a fair amount of time for reading. I managed to get through a lengthy book that I had been eager to read: Christianity’s Dangerous Idea: The Protestant Revolution by Alister McGrath. Dr. McGrath is a professor of theology at Oxford University and one of the most prolific authors on the religious scene today. His latest book is a very readable exploration of the history of the Protestant movement from its origins in the sixteenth century to the present day, as well as a study of the major themes of Protestant thought and practice. In the course of his text, we find rich discussions of Martin Luther’s master idea of justification by grace through faith, and of John Calvin’s doctrine of double predestination, and of the general Protestant option for the primacy of the Word of God. But the issue to which McGrath returns again and again, almost obsessively, is that of authority. Who, for Protestants, finally has the authority to offer the correct interpretation of the Bible?

The problem arose, of course, from Luther’s insistence on the priesthood of all believers and the right, therefore, of every believer to interpret the Bible according to his or her lights. The reformer objected to what he took to be the sequestration of the Scriptures by a small elite of ecclesiastical interpreters who doled out the Word of God in tiny and questionable portions to the common people. He trusted that every believer could understand the plain sense of the Bible without the ministrations of the church and its “official” readings. Now what became glaringly obvious, even within Luther’s lifetime, was that things were a bit more complicated. Within a few years of the launching of the reformation, wildly divergent interpretations emerged within Protestantism, regarding sacramental practice, liturgy, the eucharist, church government, the relation between church and state, etc., etc. And within a few decades of the founding, numerous major and contesting branches of Protestantism had arisen: Lutheranism, Calvinism, Anabaptism, Pietism, and Anglicanism. Clearly, the “plain” sense wasn’t so plain after all. Though the various denominations tried to rein things in by crafting official creedal statements, the divisiveness continued and deepened, since a resistance to centralized authority was written into the DNA of the Protestant movement. (We can see the very same dynamic on display today in the wars over sex and authority currently ripping apart the Anglican church). What’s interesting is that Alister McGrath acknowledges all of this and admits that, in light of Jesus’ great prayer that his followers may be one, the fissiparousness of Protestantism is problematic. But he is satisfied that a general consensus, emerging from the leading preachers and theologians and congregations of the Protestant movement, suffices for the establishment of a workable unity. Here, he argues, the Protestant sensibility is quite similar to the democratic sensibility: no absolute authority, but a gradually arrived at consensus. 

I’ll admit that as I followed Dr. McGrath’s argument, and even admired the dexterity of it, my Catholic mind kept balking. The question of authority, it seems to me, cannot be permanently bracketed or postponed through appeals to a vague consensus. Let’s face it: when there are over 30,000 Protestant denominations in the world, what kind of meaningful consensus is there? And if we were to pursue McGrath’s political analogy, would anyone think that a polity consisting of 30,000 separate parties would ever be functional? In the nineteenth century, John Henry Newman, who had been raised in a Calvinistically tinged Anglicanism and had become a Catholic at midlife, wrestled mightily with this same question. Like Dr. McGrath, he acknowledged that there is a legitimate role played in the life of the church by theologians and preachers and the ordinary faithful. In fact, he famously suggested that at times the sensus fidelium is the most authentic carrier of the church’s orthodox faith. He furthermore held that ecclesial authorities can at their worst descend into tyranny. However (and this is the decisive point), Newman felt that, at the end of the day, after all of the conversations have played out, after all of the arguments and counter-arguments have been made, there must be a living voice that can declare, decide, and determine. And this voice he recognized as that of the Catholic magisterium, the Pope and bishops teaching together on matters of faith and morals. 

Anyone who is really serious about a sport welcomes the umpire or the referee. A baseball game without an umpire devolves in short order into chaos, as both teams bicker about balls and strikes or whether a hit was fair or foul. A basketball game without the living voice (and shrill whistle!) of the referee, quickly collapses, as the players spend more time arguing than playing. Christianity is something like a game, marked by vitality, novelty, the interplay of freedoms, and sheer exuberance. What Newman saw so clearly was that it was precisely the authority of the church that preserved the unity of the Christian game and hence the fun of it. 

Alister McGrath’s compelling book has helped me to see that this issue of authority, which was the subject of the earliest debates between Luther and his opponents, is still the question today in Protestant/Catholic discussions. 
 
Posted: 1/11/2010 10:28:04 AM by Word On Fire | with 12 comments
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Walt Mateja, Ph.D.
By trade, I am a professional photographer. In 1970, I was contracted to photograph the ordination of approximately 30 men to the priesthood as Oblates of St. Francis DeSales.
Standing in the choir loft at the rear of Our Lady of Ransom Catholic Church in the Northeast part of Philadelphia PA, I had the uniques oppoertunity to capture the pentultimate moment of seeing literally hundreds of clergy circled around the Sanctuary while the semirians lay prostate in the form of a cross on the church floor in front of the presiding Archbishop and the altar.
At that moment in time, I realized the immense *****ulative amount of study, dissertation, prayer, discernment and knowledge present before me.
That image is ingrained in my consciousness daily as it made me realize that indeed the apostolic succession that proceeds from St. Peter to the present day reinforces the idea that the "One Holy Catholic Church" is alive and well and represented by the Roman Catholic Church. My entire body tingled knowing fully well that I was truly in the presence of God, and feeling the tremendous sacred joy of the moment.
I still feel blessed by that experience.
1/11/2010 12:08:21 PM
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Kevin Kitura
You know Father Barron what ultimately convinced me that Catholic Church was the One True, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church that Christ founded, was when I read the encyclical Casti Connubii written by Pius XI in which the Holy Father so gallantly and beautifully defended the Sanctity of Marriage and the martial act from evils of modernity. Reading this encyclical at the age 26 for the first time in the year 2000, I kept asking myself what happened? How on earth did the world get so broken? And what happened to the other Christian denominations and how did they get duped into accepting contraception. It's not like I didn't know the answer, it was just the sudden sickening realization that the protestant reformation and Christian disunity had resulted in murder of millions of children in the wombs of there mothers. How on earth do we get this ugly genie back into the bottle?
1/12/2010 11:00:05 PM
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Kathryn W.
Yes! It was exactly the question of authority that led me to the Catholic Church, after having been a very enthusiastic born-again Evangelical for six years. I had just begun participating in a well-known e*****enical Protestant Bible study. I was asked to consider becoming a discussion leader. While being "interviewed," I learned that anyone with the gift of tongues (in any form, I suppose), could not be in leadership due to conflicts that had occurred in the past. I don't know why, but I was really shaken and took it really hard. But praise God, for it really got me thinking about who has the right to say their interpretation of the Bible is correct. It seemed to me that Christianity was flawed. Related questions came to my mind...how could interpretation be left to people who have no education, or are mentally challenged? How easily anyone could be misled by a bad teacher! (There are plenty of examples of that!) Why was there so much intellectual snobbery among the Christians I knew? As I came to recognize the need for authority, soon everything else "Catholic" began to make sense. I no longer needed to compromise and accept "minor theological differences," and "trouble passages" made complete sense within the Catholic framework. I'm so happy to have come into the fullness of Truth!
2/4/2010 2:15:50 AM
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Angela
How true! My son attends a Christian as opposed to Catholic school (long story). The school is great overall but has the added bonus of working a charm to deepen my son's faith and conviction that the Catholic Church is the One True, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church that Christ founded precisely because as hard as they try to be of one mind, the teachers are constantly giving different viewpoints on the same issues. He finds the answers from the CCC solid and always backed up Biblically (something the other Christians seem to refuse to believe about Catholicism). My son is finding out first hand that his Christian peers (teenagers)are suffering from this because they don't have a solid base on which to build their faith, rather it is a continuously shifting base which leads to an attitude of anything is OK.

By the way don't believe the 3.5 rating I tried to rate it 5 stars but somehow it registerd less....
2/4/2010 6:03:46 PM
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Renee Bjornard
Would Dr. Mateja be willing to share his photograph of the seminarians laying prostate in the form of a cross in front of their Archbishop and the altar? Or, perhaps he has a website where we can purchase this photo? I would love to have it in my office ... as I'm sure many of your readers ;-)
With regards to your article, Fr. Barron, your statement “resistance to centralized authority was written into the DNA of the Protestant movement…” best articulates my Protestant family and friends. It is ironic, therefore, when we can dialog about the issue of various interpretations from them and their theologians, many of them admit that they would prefer to have an authoritative gavel on key doctrine.

I am of the generation of Catholics who remembers before and after Vatican II and the plethora of changes that emerged afterwards. I was still young, not quiet a teenager, and remember thinking Jesus left our church. When I went away to college, I began searching for Him through various Protestant churches all of whom had worship services that were, in essence, bible study sessions (with lots of music). Hunger for the Eucharist, and study of the scriptures eventually brought me back to the One True Holy Apostolic Church. They all taught a chorus of love and of the sacrifice of our Lord and Savior, but then they lacked consistency on key scriptural passages such as John 6, Colossians 1:24, and Matthew 18:13-19 to name a few. Invariably, they spoke badly of Catholic doctrine without understanding what Catholics teach. How can they claim to know what the Church teaches and then get it so wrong? Issues like Marion devotion and her Immaculate Conception, Sacraments like Reconciliation and Holy Orders, priesthood celibacy, “repetitive” prayers like our Rosary. The priest-scandal is twisted out of proportion and the Infallibly of the Pope is totally misunderstood – oh, but they are quick to point out “bad popes of the Dark Ages”.

It is by God’s grace that I am fully Catholic in good standing with the Church. And, thanks to the Internet and emerging technologies, there is no excuse to be uneducated about what our church teaches (thank you Fr. Barron and Catholic Answers!) In grace, I am a light on a hill, a leaky farmhouse sprinkler squirting Living Water to my non-practicing Catholic family and Protestant friends. As St. Francis exhorts “use words if you must.”
2/27/2010 9:31:00 AM
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William T. Missavage
Fr. Bob, I picked up this book not too long ago. It reminded me of why I came home to the Catholic Church. Church history made me Catholic.
3/15/2010 5:30:32 PM
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Alex
This is a great website.I have come to this website after watching,Rev.Barron introducing it on ETWN.As a Catholic, sometimes it's hard to update oneself the views and ideas of this world and seeing it with the Catholic point of view.I must say this website is the answer for this generation.

keep up the good work and may God Bless you !
3/15/2010 8:29:07 PM
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Caroline
Father,

I was a cradle Catholic who spent 20 years wandering in the evangelical Protestant wilderness. It was this very issue of authority that brought me home 4 years ago. I think I was part of the same well known Bible study as Kathryn W ,only I remember 2 questions from my interview that were catalysts for my journey home to Holy Mother Church: are you Catholic, and have you ever been married before ? I couldn't be a discussion leader because I answered yes to the second and yes, by default to the first.
I still completed the 7 year study, but was assigned another leadership post.

Thank you for this wonderful website and your willingness to use technology to educate and spread the truth.
God Bless You
4/5/2010 10:33:37 AM
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Thorwald Johansen
What is your interpretation of Matthew 23:9? Are we not commended by God, to obey this scripture?
5/21/2010 9:41:50 PM
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Susan
There are places online where you can discuss and explore such questions. One place is the Coming Home Network International. They have forums, one of which is "Exploring Catholic Christianity [Inquiring Dialogue] > Scripture."

Also, for a Catholic perspective on the Gospel of Matthew and this verse, I would recommend watching Dr. Tim Gray's Bible study on EWTN, "The Gospel of Saint Matthew." The program finished today, but will probably air again sometime. Or, copies can be purchased from the EWTN website.
5/25/2010 7:43:00 PM
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Bonnie Waletzko
Dear Thorwald Johansen,

Maybe I can help you with Matthew 23:9—evidently you do not believe we should call anyone father here on earth, for one is your father who is in heaven. This is true [all of the Books of the Bible are Truth, this all verses are true]. In order to understand this verse we must look at it in light of the whole Bible. This verse, as the Church teaches us, is talking about God our Father; and of course, we are not to call any other being Father in the same sense as if that person were God. When a child calls her Dad ‘Father’ she is not thinking of him as God. Matthew 19:19—Jesus confirms commandment “Honor father and mother”. In Matthew 3:9—Jesus calls Abraham “father”. Jesus would not sin against His Father so how do you handle this verse? Acts7:2—St. Stephen calls Jewish leaders “fathers” as does St. Paul in Acts21:40, 22:1. In Romans 4:16-17 Abraham is called “the father of us all”. 1Cor 4:14-15—I became your father in Christ… 1Tim 1:2—my true child in our common faith…[he must be a father to call someone ‘child’.] 1 John 2:13, 14—I write to you, fathers, because you know him…

Thorwald—how do you understand these verses? We know that the Bible does not contradict itself. If we read the Bible and come to a question about a verse such as Matthew 23:9, we must look to the Church for the full Truth. Reading this one verse and neglecting to fit it together with all the other ‘father’ verses [which there are many more than the ones I mentioned] can cause falsehoods.

Remember, the devil will feed you 99 truths to get you to fall for 1 lie. Take back the power that Jesus Christ has given you through your Baptism—let the Holy Spirit guide you—He will tell you to listen to the Church when you are bumped by a question because He has been guiding the Church for 2000 years. You can trust the Church for the fullness of Truth.

If you have any further questions about individual verses, take them to a Catholic Priest or a Catholic person who knows what the Church teaches or, at least, knows where to help you find the answers to your questions.

One thing to remember, the Bible is a Catholic Book. If you wanted to buy a Ford, would you go to the Chevy dealer to find out about a Ford? If you want to find out what the Bible is saying, ask for a Catholic perspective and I know your questioning will be relieved.
Bonnie Waletzko
6/4/2010 8:29:23 PM
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Daneil I. Izebuno
Thank you Father Bob for your incisive clarity of expression. The political analogy of Alister McGrath for in order for "the Protestant sensibility is quite similar to the democratic sensibility: no absolute authority, but a gradually arrived at consensus" only reminds me of what Our Lord spoke to Pilate about the kingdom. 'My kingdom is not of this world' (Jn 18:36). Any attempt by the 30,000 or so Protestant denominations to want to follow the path of political sensibility in order to arrive at a consensus they think would be agreeable to what Christ says of his kingdom would best be an exercise in utter vicious circle.
6/8/2010 3:46:02 AM
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